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There were many strange events around the day of 9/11, and many strange photos following.
I will attempt to bring these discrepancies to light. The page is meant for the reader to come to their own conclusion, though I may make comments, these are just some ideas I believe should be investigated more in depth by our own Government. site history,contact and tos



The Pentagon


These pages promote the possibility that no Boeing hit the Pentagon, and give support
to the possibility of a small plane, missile, or explosive device. Most of these pages
are NOT analytical in nature, mainly providing pictures, ideas and links for investigative purpose.
While I am open to ideas about what happened, these pages are meant to help bring light to the
photographic evidence and let the reader come to their own conclusion. There is compelling evidence
that the planes may have been "swapped" and /or remote controlled.
There were several war games that day adding to the confusion, and after much research,
it appears to me that it would not take that many people to hide what really happened.
For instance, the NTSB handed everyting over to the FBI, which was in charge of the investigation,
and since the FBI are not accident investigators, the lack of plane parts may not have been taken seriously
The FBI had also been told not to question the Saudi's who left the country
during the time that all airports were supposedly closed.
Also see...
Operation Pearl ) and team8+team8+


Pentagon Analysis


New Pentagon Video from Judicial Watch FOIA request


Judicial Watch website FOIA request mirrored here...



pentagon fireball explosion


The gas tanks were 90ft apart,so there should be 2 explosions 90ft from each other,
not one central explosion which we see.
The damage to the right of this explosion was done only on the ground floor,
but look what is in the way? A generator !
The wing couldn't have cleared that generator which was over 12ft high,
and then damaged the FIRST floor and NOT the second.
No, the plane did NOT nose dive into it, it came in VERY parallel
It hit light poles hundreds of feet away.
No, the plane did NOT hit the ground AT ALL, there is no damage to the grass,
or the cable reels which were right in the planes path.

pentagon sept 11th

This shows the columns bent OUTWARD.
While true, they may be bent to the left, they still seem to bent out.
In the middle of this photo is a burned tree stump,
 the nose should have come directly into that tree. To the left is the impact hole.
 So the cable reels should have been underneath the fuselage,
 indicating that the bottom of the "plane" couldn't have been at ground level.
Clearly the damage was at the ground floor.
The only way to explain this would be that the right wing was lower than the fuselage.
BUT, if this were true, the engine would have gouged into the earth,
 since the engine hangs lower than the wing. mirror
This scenario also would have made the left wing higher,
causing damage to the second and third floors to the left of the impact hole.
 This clearly wasn't the case.Also see Pentagon 911 analysis
boeing 757 specs

pentagon september 11


There is a burned out generator just to the right of thecollapsed wall
How did the right wing of the plane do damageto the bottom floor
but not to the second or third floors?
The plane didn't dive bomb into the pentagon,
it hit several light poles hundereds of yards away.
Some have said that the plane was blown to bits on impact...Where are those bits ?


Pentagon Analysis


Simplified sites to show the major problems of the idea that a 757 hit the Pentagon.
Main Pentagon analysis and theories

Major Problem with Pentagon Investigations
There was a large trailer just in front of the pentagon. This is confirmed by witness accounts, as well as the ASCE report.
This trailer was in the exact spot that the pentagon was hit.
 (The first photo below, shows the reamins)
How did the damage occur behind it?
How could any witness say they saw a plane hit the pentagon ?
Wouldnt they instead say...
I saw a plane hit a trailer in front of the pentagon ?

Supporting photo evidence

enhanced photos

september 11 photos also showing the chair which was not burned

several photos of debris at the pentagon some seem to be from the trailer that exploded.
mirror Several photos of debris, most have a curvature too small to be from a boeing 757

Response to Snopes debunk urban legend page.
Snopes uses a photo taken several hundered yards away to prove that a plane hit the pentagon.

graphic images
that demonstrate that a 757 could not have created the damage at the pentagon,
due to the trajectory and physical analysis.
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Is this the perp?
This appears to be whats left of a trailer that was parked in front of the pentagon.
Notice the rectangular shape of the frame, the crumpled piece of metal on top are the walls of the trailer.
Another possibility, is that the crumpled piece of metal is the remains of the aircaft that hit it.
I doubt this though. It seems more likely that this trailer had explosives in it.

pentagon trailer debris 911


How did a plane damage the pentagon leaving this piece of debris in the way?

Notice the curvature? Not the size of a 757? This doesnt seem to be part of an aircraft.

Did a witness see the trailer explode ?
analysis.batcave.net/trailer.html


Some of the most convincing evidence in my mind, that there was no Boeing that hit the Pentagon, is on these pages. It shows several pictures prior to, and just after the collapse of the wall. I can see no plane. Planes this size do not simply disappear. The official story from our Government says that the right wing hit above ground, higher than the left wing. If this were true, the main damage from the right wing should have been to the second story of the building. the photos tell a different story. The main damage to the right of the hole was at ground level and the main support columns which were damaged seem to be pushed OUT not in.

Extreme close-ups of the pentagon wall, debris on the lawn,
In these photos you will find that the major damage on the first floor of the pentagon
shows major columns which aren't broken and still in place. In order for the bottom floor to be damaged, the engines and fuselage (which hang LOWER than the wings) would have had to bury themselves in the grass in FRONT of the Pentagon. We can see clearly from the photos this wasn't the case.

Close-ups of the lawn, wide angles, enhanced pics, close-ups of the red fire truck that was pumping water, then later was hauled off for being damaged so badly. Several pics of the cars in different positions. Extreme enhanced close-ups of the cable reels before the wall collapsed.


Close ups of the wall and lawn damage before and after the wall collapsed at the pentagon.
Extreme close-ups and enhanced images of debris in the impact area.
pentagon close up photos
pentagon wall and area closeups
september 11 pentagon photos

Did the port engine really hit the steam vent retaining wall - photos

Closeups of the generator . was it moved during the night?
Is the scar on top of the generator seen in the first photos?


Comparisons of wall structure, the Purdue Simulation, Boeing Specs,
Government reports and photos of actual damage.

Specs on the Boeing 757-200 in relation to the wing tip height and height of the poles which were damaged.

Still photos from the Purdue simulations in contrast with photos of the wall column damage.
Photo analysis of discrepancies of the damage to the Pentagon wall columns.
damage.1accesshost.com part2-graphics
geocities.com/greenmannowar/6.html
geocities.com/greenmannowar/7.html
misc pentagon photos

High res images and arial views of the Pentagon,
Naval annex, surrounding areas, and trajectory of attack.
pentagon photos sept11 several full size photos of the pentagon on september 11
Photos of debris and engine parts from the Pentagon and the WTC - great debris page...

september 11 pentagon debris photos

Is this part of a 757 engine?
Small Turbine Disc -
Aircraft debris inside the Pentagon

photos and graphics showing the "letter" piece of debris found on the Pentagon lawn.
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An enhanced photo of the main explosion shows the Pentagon wall and a central explosion  mirror. Even in this enhanced view - mid explosion, one cannot see anything that resembles a plane. The enhanced views also show how small the hole was and the lack of damage to the wall before collapse.

The cable reels which were in front of the impact area, seemed not to have been damaged at all. If the plane came in at an angle, as most believe, these reels should have been demolished. The impact on the building in pre-collapse photos show that the damage was done at ground level.
The bottom floor shows support structures that appear to be bulging outward instead of inward which they should . 
Something had to cause these support columns to bulge outward.


This page shows the exit holes at the Pentagon.  mirror
size and analysis of the exit hole...

DoD News Briefing on Pentagon Renovation
September 15, 2001
Mitchell:  It's more to the right of where we were at. This is the -- this is in a renovated section on the opposite side, if you were facing the opposite side. This is a hole in -- there was a punch-out. They suspect that this was where a part of the aircraft came through this hole, although I didn't see any evidence of the aircraft down there.

Q: Which area is that?
Mitchell: This is right inside the E Ring.
Q: Did you see any evidence of the aircraft anywhere?
Mitchell: Yes, I did. You could see just small pieces of it.
Q: Well, how far in? Again, we're trying to figure out how it came into the building.
Q: Can we finish the video first and then we'll go back?
Mitchell: You can see someone from the Montgomery County unit here.
This pile here is all Pentagon metal. None of that is aircraft whatsoever. As you can see, they've punched a hole in here. This was punched by the rescue workers to clean it out. You can see this is the -- some of the unrenovated areas where the windows have blown out. That's soldiers from the Third U.S. Infantry, the Honor Guard, are in there. And this is the conditions they have to work in. There's the Tyvek suits, the respirators, goggles, and helmets, and they also have boots on them as well.
Q: Where is that exactly? Between which rings?
Mitchell: Between the -- I believe it's the E and D Rings.
And that's the end of the tape.
www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/t09152001_t915evey.html

This was punched by the rescue workers to clean it out.
The problem with the statement above is the photo showing the hole still smoking. Also, it the hole was "punched out"
then why is there a curved peice of debris lying there?

So which is it? Did they "punch the hole out? Or did something push through?
The nose of the aircraft would not have stayed intect through several walls (hardened reinforced walls remember?)
For laughs, lets say it did. So it puchned through all of these reinforced walls, then came to rest 1/2 way though one?
Doubt it.

pentagon punch out exit hole

What is this peice of debris? If the nose of the plane punched out this hole, would it be laying there? Why is the curvature much smaller than that of a 757? FEMA did not catalog this peice on its web page!
Sorry I havent updated the info here. My new calculations make this peice of debris about 6ft in daimeter. WAY TOO SMALL for a 757 !
Even for the fragile nose cone.




Large photo enhancements of the Tom Horan pics,
and similar photos, showing discrepancies of the impact area, timeline of particular damage,
and an odd piece of debris.

Plane Reportedly Clips Light Pole
On its way to pick up Sr. Bush


plane crash hit light pole

In looking at the Pentagon investigation, this article hit me as a bit strange. A plane hit ONE light pole, and the wing RIPPED OFF, leaving debris for 100 yards and scattering fuel all over. The Pentagon plane hit FIVE poles, hundereds of yards away, yet the wings supposedly stayed intact until it hit the building and created the "90ft?" hole on only the bottom floor. analysis here. Compare it to the light poles from the pentagon here

This is what happenes when a bird strikes an aircraft
In the first set of photos, the plane was going 180 knots.
If the damage from a bird strike can do this, can a 757 at 450mph hit 5 light posts
without ripping its wings off and leave no debris on the ground for over 100 yards?




Penta cars and fire trucks.

Many of the vehicles were seen wandering around the yard.

The cars appear to have been moved, why ? were they moved back again into the damage for a photo-op ?Why ?

mirror ...
cars and vehicles moved for photo-op?

There were at least 2 cars in the area of the explosion. It appears these cars were moved, possibly for safety, or to get the fire trucks in place, but it also appears that one car may have even been "swapped out" for some reason. The page shows inconsistencies with the photos taken at different times during that day.
(It also provides a little humor)


Were some of these photos altered?


This page shows the fire truck that was parked at the Pentagon near the initial explosion. The truck is seen in different places, being used to spray water on the fire. One picture shows the truck being hauled off. If the truck took so much damage then how was it operable?

Was the cab that was hit by the falling light pole, moved ? Different views...
supporting that the cab may have been moved...
pentagon taxi cab and light pole
mirror


Pentagon security video CCTV Gate Photos - Fake ?
Reportedly 5 images have been released to the press.

Comparisons of different pics of the CCTV frames taken from the gate video.
Pentagon Attack Cctv Video enhanced closeups of the video frames
pentagon video cctv cam gate.1accesshost.com comparisons for the secuity videos from CNN and others...
Taken from a video at CNN website.

More links on the CCTV video at the Pentagon...
thewebfairy.com/911/pentagon
more comparisons of all sources of the video


Flight 77 Dulles gate security video - hijackers still alive
Video still of the Hijackers. These are the only known stills on the web of the security video
my enhancements of the video frames...
dulles gate security video, hijacker photos
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German Officials Claim- The FBI told them a Missile hit the Pentagon!

missingwings


recomended pentagon theory page
911-strike also killtown Questioning the 9/11 attacks

INN globalfreepress (archives) here (back online)

Up to date news on Sept 11th investigation.
Physics911 Blogspot (my weblog)
Visit my New WEBLOG !

911review political blog
LINKS... 9-11 odd plane routes/drones tailored to fly through FAA/NORAD radar coverage hole flaws

New 'Prime Suspect in the Mass Murders of 9/11'
twf.org/News/Y2004/0911-Rubicon.html



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